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reform. >> genuine comp henszive reform. >> comprehensive immigration reform. the time is now. >> we will get off the board into the debate. good saturday to you. it feels like groundhog day for those of you looking for comprehensive reform. the man who is taking over john kerry's seat on the senate foreign relations committee is at the center of a scandal involving what else? sex and money. they will talk to football hall of fame running back marcus allen and his take on concussions and kids in the sport and the clash in the crescent city. president obama shifting focus back to the economy after encouraging economic news friday. >> home prices are starting to climb again and car sales at a five-year high. manufacturing is roaring back. the business created 2.2 million

jobs last year and our economy created more jobs than econom t economists originally thought. >> jones industrial average closed about 14,000 on friday, the highest since 2007. the los angeles mayor has put an end to speculation that he will be joining the obama cabinet. there is talk he might be transportation secretary. he said he will finish out his term as mayor. in massachusetts, former senator scott brown said he will not be running for the senate seat vacated by john kerry, but there is speculation that brown could have his eye on the governor's seat when patrick steps down in 2014. we will take you to boston to big deeper into that story later in the show. a whole lot to get to first. vice president biden is in germany and talking international security with diplomats from around the globe. in his speech earlier he called

the president a tyrant and said he must step aside. joining me now with this, i know biden met as well. how realistic is it to expect movement on the white house after today? >> i don't think the meetings greatly changed the equation, the vice president did meet with russia's foreign minster and the envoy overseeing the response to syria. this really enabled him to reach out to those folks to make the position known on the world stage as well as you pointed out. he called for him to step down. that's something he has been doing for sometime now. the white house is not engaging any differently in syria. russia remains the staunchest allies. they opposed the un actions.

in terms of the bottom line. i don't think anything changes, but again it does provide biden with that platform to reiterate the administration's stance. they are calling for the president to go and if you speak with senior officials, they believe that assad is becoming increasingly isolated and will ultimately step down. the killings continue to be one of the largest challenges for the administration. >> while i have you, here it is. this is a picture of the president released earlier today. president obama skeet shooting back in august. i understand you have new information from officials about why that picture was released today. what can you tell us? >> according to a senior administration official, they did make the decision to release the photo. president obama said in an

interview last week he enjoys skeet shooting at camp david. a lot of people questioned that assertion and called on the white house and asked if he really went skeet shooting. press secretary carney in an interview said the president's comments were real and that he does skeet shoot. a lot of people said where is the proof? this is the proof about that. you have congressman marva blackburn challenge him to a skeet shooting contest. you have the nra saying the president was trying to align himself with pro gun rights people. the white house said look, the president was responding to a question about whether or not he has ever engaged in this type of sport. the president answered yes, he does. here's the proof. >> here's the picture. from 1600 pennsylvania, we will check back with you later. now to the latest on the hostage situation in alabama.

police are in constandpoint communication with the man who allegedly snatched a 5-year-old boy after shooting and killing his bus driver tuesday. gabe gutierrez is in mittland city. there was a news conference. have we learned anything new? >> yes, craig. from that news conference, we learned that the suspect is behaving in such a way to cause the sheriff to thank him for the way he is treating this boy. police have been in constant communication through a ventilation pipe and local sheriffs said this afternoon that the suspect has blankets. he appears to be taking care of this child. that child is unharmed. the suspect allowed police to drop medicine and coloring books to occupy the child through that

ventilation pipe. this has been going on since tuesday. that suspect boarded a stop school bus up the road behind me. when he went on the bus, he demanded several children. when the bus driver refused, he shot and killed the bus driver and made off with the 5-year-old boy who has a mild form of autism. going on more than 90 hours. the local sheriff giving new details about the nature of the communication with the suspect and he actually thanked the suspect for how he is treating the child so far. >> gabe gutierrez, thanks so much. we will come back later for an update on the situation there. now to the fight over immigration reform. president obama threw his weight behind reform calling for a path to citizenship.

what can get left out of the headlines is the sheer diversity of the how farly 11 million undocumented immigrants, 58% from mexico and more than one million from asian countries. a look at the make up of all foreign-born people, 53% are from latin america and the caribbean and 28% from asia and 12% from europe and 4% from africa. here to talk about whatta you will means. hector sanchez from the national hispanic leadership. good saturday to all of you. i want to start with you. give me a sense of the diversity. what that could mean for the debate over reform. >> craig, you just cited the statistics in terms of the foreign born. in recent years, if you look at

the last four or five years, it's more diverse. the stream coming in from asia has grown overtime. immigrants coming in over asia over the regional share. that's hardly because migration from mexico slowed down considerably over the past few years. >> they talk about the need to keep american educated immigrants in the united states. we will talk about it on the other side. >> right now there brilliant students sitting in classrooms at the top universities. they are earning degrees in the fields of the future like emergencyi i energying engineering and computer science. >> put this into perspective. how big of a problem is this? >> i'm actually from ohio and when i went back during the

election season rveg, they were bringing up how many international students were going to ohio state and graduating and contributed back to the community and wanted to stay to provide their intellect to help with the innovation. the big question is what kind of work visas can they get. what future can they have? at the same time family reunionification reunion i ification. >> we mentioned the numbers. i don't think a lot of folks in the country full low appreciate that shift we have seen. there is a misconception that the overwhelming number of people are from mexico and latin america. why do we think that exists? >> there a number of futures and no doubt that the immigration is the issue for time and we need to be careful in the way we

analyze this issue and emphasize it and the immigrant aspects in india. they have been analyzing in the last year and damaging the community and the latino community overall. all these anti-immigrant extras are really. latinos increased 45% in the last years. the policies all over the nation like hb 56 in alabama are targeting and racially profiling the community. all these enforcement policies are hurting the community and making no sense as the most advanced reaches and civilized nations in the world. we need to set up better examples. this is not the class of nation we want to be in a nation that is exploiting the human rights of a particular group of people. we should not have a bubble of

second class citizens in the nation. that's not the kind of nation we are and want to be. we need to be smart. we need to look at economic sense of immigration reform. the reform makes economic sense when we are under serious crisis. there stories on the right that we can have a $1.5 trillion over the next decade. you make sense. we need to be smart as a nation and time to get it done. >> let's talk about the politics of it. i want to talk about marco rubio. take a listen. >> i am strongly against amnesty. we had existing laws not being adequately enforced. nothing makes it harder to reward existing laws. >> we are dealing with 11 million human beings who are here undocumented. the vast majority of whom they

pursued as we recognize as the american dream. >> quite a difference in tone and substance. what's behind the conversion? >> this is very much in the line of research i am doing in terms of the language that people on either side of the debate use. you see the term amnesty and terms like illegal aliens or imgrants being used in the past. they are using the term undocumented now and doesn't mention amnesty. that is part of this reframing going on. senator rubio represents the potential hope for the republican party to get out of the box they are participated in right now. nationally at least, they lost the 2012 election. there is no way they can win 2016 unless they get more latino votes. this is part of the attempt to rebrand the party. it matters for asian immigrants as well. they went overwhelmingly for

president obama in 2012. to the extent that that matter is in states like nevada and virginia, this message makes a difference there too. >> from the asian vote, from the university of california riverside and hector sanchez from the leadership agenda, thank you for your time on this saturday. >> thank you for the invitation. >> up next, the white house changing its tune on contra accepting. will it amount to real change or is it window dressing. plus, twitter takes a hit and what you need to know among the millions who have a twitter account. among the actors and the good will ambassador mia pharaoh who returned from lebanon and met the thousands who fled to the country after the fighting in syria. you will hear about her journey ahead. you are watching m srks nbc. ♪ these are...

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>> we had tow make sure the policy respects religious beliefs. >> the ongoing battle over birth control, the white house announced the third proposal making it easier for religious organizations to get exemptions from providing free contraception is part of the health care plans. not everybody is happy about this. they called it window dressing and more of the same. the catholic association said just another accounting gimmick. the judicial crisis network said no solution at all. joining me now let me start with

you. brick this down. what's in the latest white house proposal. >> the proposed white house plan widens the definition of what an employer is to a degree and trying to create rules that they say give them some, not all, religious-based institutions and the ability to exempt and carve out from the health plans and women who are sbilthsed to contraception planning under the obama health care law. we have been through this a few times. the carve out lets the women get insurance rather than having the insurers pay for it. still don't know how that's going to be done without passing it on to a consumer, but the proposal does not make it go away. it leaves the obama

administration open to the criticism. if you own a business and don't want to provide coverage to women because of the law saying they are titled to it, they cannot be eligible. >> we're haven't heard from the groups. they are registering disappointment. could this once again go to the nation's highest court. >> this is almost certainly going to go to the nation's highest court. the real story is there three different rule changes. all of them on friday to minimize attention to it. the administration knows this is a battle to end up in the stream court. all the technicalities don't change the fundaments. they are shoring up the legal standing to get enough votes at the supreme court to be able to uphold the entire contra

accepting mandate and an official that this is more about a legal maneuver than a desire to assuage real concerns on the part of religious leaders. >> this is what they write. the white house decision ought to be taken by the nation's bishops as a victory because it is. they include the country's most prominent and inclined to do just that. they keep the battle raging. do you think the white house will lose momentum or do they dig in their heels? >> the white house may be braced and have got to know that they don't know what the officials are going to say. they know this issue is not going away. these lawsuits are still there and i agree this is more legal maneuvering because you do still end up with women who work for

religious institutions getting coverage. if financing gimmick and i use that word with respect here, you still get the coverage and some people who don't want it, it still exists. that is the bottom line and the issue is not going to go away. the obama team knows that. >> thanks. i will see you later in the show as well. >> thank you. >> still to come, an icon here in new york city. remembering the man who is first known as america's mayor. ed koch. >> remember if he sees his shadow, six more weeks. no shadow, spring is here. >> what does that groundhog know? punxsatawney phil and the forecast on this groundhog day. i don't know why i'm reading what they said. we will talk about what phil saw and what he said. you are watching msnbc.

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>> so there is no shadow to see and early spring for you and me. >> it's the top hats that make it. america's groundhog, punxsatawney calling it like he sees it. telling the folks no shadow. translation, an early spring. this is phil's 127 prognostication, but the stats are not in his favor. according to the groundhog, he has seen his shadow 100 of 116 times. according to the folks, he has only been right 39% of the time. she no nate silver. i guess that means don't get your mittens just yet, folks. we say goodbye to a former first dog, barney. the beloved scottish terrier of

the 43rd president president bush died after a battle with limit phona. mr. bush paying tribute it his pal saying barney was by my side during our years in the white house and never discussed politics and was always a faithful friend. laura and i will miss our pal. a fixture in the oval office, he was the star of the barney cam videos. barney was 12 1/2 years old. that's 84 in dog years. not a bad run. speaking of the oval office, president obama may be getting a new executive suite. it is being built in the old building across from the west wing. it's part of a two-year renovation. the president could be in there by summer. and rambo is saying no to assault weapons in a new interview with the ap oscar winning screen writer and action

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>> i wanted people to to know they could count on me. i'm a middle class guy. i have your values. i'm not one of these jerks who is running around trying to change the world. >> i love it. ed koch speaking to the new york times and just released 2007 interview. the former mayor died yesterday. he was 88 years old. he died of congestive heart failure. his funeral will be monday in manhattan. here's a look at the other top stories making news. chicago cops are trying to figure out who killed the high school sophomore who was shot in a chicago park one week after she performed at president obama's inauguration. there is now a $40,000 reward for information leading to the girl's killer. if you have a twitter account, now might be a good time to

change the password. they snagged user names, passwords and e-mail addresses and twitter insists their site is secure. this weekend marks the 100th anniversary of the grant central terminal, the world's largest train station and one of morning's most popular tourist attracts. nfl royalty joins me now. 16 seasons playing pro football, hall of famer marcus allen did it all. but his 74 yard dash for the douch down in 1984 made him a super bowl legend. now from the big easy, the site of tomorrow's big game. good to see you, sir. >> thanks a lot. >> a lot of talks about safety in the nfl. thousands of concussion-related lawsuits and even president obama said last week he had a son he would have to think long

and hard before he let him play football. marcus, what if anything can the league do to make football safer? >> i think the league is trying to do everything they can. equipment can be something they can focus on and you can't ask guys to get smaller and smaller because they got bigger and bigger overtime. honestly the way they are trying to alter the way guys tackle without using their head is going to be a focus. it has been ingrained in them for a long, long time. we will have to start at the youth stage and getting guys to start playing without their helmets. not without helmets, but without hitting with their helmets. it will take a little bit of time. the league is doing everything they can and players are also speaking up. back in my day, if you got symptoms of a concussion, we stayed in the game. it was sort of we never wanted

to leave the huddle. players are speaking out and the medical staff is taking notice as well. they're trying to do everything they can. >> let's talk about the super bowl. loaded with intriguing story line this is year including the brothers john and jim going head to head as opposing coaches and the first time new orleans gets to host since katrina. of the story lines that emerged, what's your favorite? >> i think two brothers meeting together in the super bowl, what are the odds? it illustrates the family and what they have done and the parents and raising two sons and have been put in this position, that's the most dynamic story down here. my mother is from new orleans and love to come down here and no better place to have the super bowl. everything is so centrally located. new york would be good too. >> we will find out. really quickly, i know you are

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the ravens and 49ers. who you got? >> let me see. >> come on. like you don't know. >> it's such an even matchup. i haven't gone back and forth. i think the 49ers, the ability to run the ball and either the ravens have to focus on him and try to shut him down which means frank gore would have a great day and he would have a great day running the ball. i give the slight edge to the 49ers. >> marcus said the 49ers win it. do appreciate all you do for prostate cancer as well. >> hillary clinton is no longer secretary of state and bid farewell to staff and friends at the state department. >> i am so grateful that we have had a chance to contribute in

each of our ways to making our country and our world stronger, safer, fairer, and better. >> what will be clinton's legacy at state? let's go to the war room. strategist richard goodstein and republican strategist joe watkins, an aide to george h.w. bush. let me start with you. hillary clinton left as an extremely popular secretary of state and griacing news week's cover calling her the most powerful woman in american history. that's a definitive declaration. >> close to it. there many powerful women in the united states and in the world, but hillary clinton is easily one if not the most powerful. her career has been extraordinary. not only first lady, but a u.s. senator and secretary of state and somebody who could be again

a candidate for the presidency in 2016. >> she came under fire for the attack on the consulate in ben gazay that left four americans dead and a suicide in turkey friday has been called an act of terror by the obama administration. how much will trouble in the mideast at a point her legacy? >> i don't think it will. i think her legacy is pretty clear. is there anybody who looks at her on that tape or any other tape who doesn't see someone they think can perform beautifully as president of the united states? that's a tough bar to clear, but you look at her and think about everybody feels that sense whether they agree politically or not, she is there. i think her legacy will be empowering women and girls around the globe. the 112 countries she visited, not a woman or girl who doesn't think they have rights and abilities they didn't have without hillary plugging for them. the fact that she harnessed high

technology. her view is that the cold war and the berlin walls of today will be dealt with by dealing with depression and any number of different ways in which she harnessed coalitions and let's talk about benghazi. horrible as it was, there were thens of lives saved in benghazi itself thanks to the sole diminution she pulled to get gadhafi out of office and out of power. no, i don't think any of those will be her legacy. they see them as something that is vfr much to her credit. >> let's talk about chuck hagel's confirmation. i'm sure you saw it. it was great television. a lot of fireworks between hagel and john mccain. take a look. >> we are correct or incorrect. yes or no? >> my reference to the refer --

>> the question is were you right or wrong. that's a pretty straight forward question. i would like to answer and then you are free to elaborate. >> i am not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> joe, first of all, let me ask you this. the white house didn't jump to his defense after that stuff. why not? >> who didn't? >> the white house. the white house didn't jump to his defense. >> the white house has a sense that he has a good chance to be confirmed and everybody know that is the hearings will be contentious. no doubt there will be a lot of consengz and a lot of bad blood between this senator and colleagues and many who question his stance with regard to iran and how strong he would be and also with regard to israel. expect contention. that doesn't mean he won't be

confirmed. i don't think the white house will jump to his defense. >> again, white house didn't jump to his defense. one republican opponent took to politico to point out his continued opposition. this is what he wrote in part. when a nominee tries to disavow his past positions on virtually every foreign policy issues all at the same time it raises serious questions. >> if hagel is confirmed by a strict party vote, how will it affect his relationship with republicans in congress? >> it sticks that he went from being a loyal republican to somebody who frankly took a differently point of view. he didn't endorse president obama, but he traveled with him and now prepared to be his secretary of defense. they kind of recent the fact that they think he is going to the other side. that said when he is in the pentagon and controls the military in that capacity, they will have to deal with him and have the same interest in

common. both parties want to keep the u.s. strong and safe and chuck hagel has been through worse. believe me, he has seen much more incoming than at that hearing. >> republican strategist, good to see you. thank you. >> good to see you. >> still ahead on the saturday afternoon, the latest on the scandal around the top u.s. senator. first, on this date, an announcement that led to the moment so many had been calling for. eventually to the end of apartheid. you are watching msnbc the place for politics. but don't worry, he'll find someone else. ♪ who's that lady? ♪ who's that lady? ♪ sexy lady, who's that lady? [ female announcer ] swiffer 360 dusters extender cleans high and low, with thick all around fibers that attract and lock up to two times more dust than a feather duster.

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the pan african communist party and a number of organizations has been rescind. walk through the open door. with the government and other leaders who have important power basis inside and outside of parliament. hence forth, everybody's political points of view will be tested against them. their workability and their fairness. the time for negotiation has arrived. >> just nine days after the clerk's speech, nelson mandela walked out of prison a free man after nearly 30 years there. today mandela is 94 years old and resting at home after being in the hospital for a lung infection and surgery to remove

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the incoming chair of the senate foreign relations committee is in the hot seat. new details in the investigation of robert menendez and one of the top campaign contributors. for the latest on this fast storying story is our national investigative correspond ept, mike? >> there is a swirl of ethical questions just as he is taking over as chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. the problem began with fbi agents in florida raided the offices of one of his fund-raisers. a wealthy eye doctor, law

enforcement sources said that's part of the health care fraud and political corruption. then menendez's office said the senator wrote a $58,500 check to reimburse the doctor for free flights aboard the corporate jet. the senator took in 2010 and never reported on his financial disclosure form. the check was written in january two months after republicans filed a complaint over the issue with the senate ethics committee. there is more. it turns out that they pushed the state department to back a port security deal in the dominican republic that could produce millions for a company this and that came while he was pumping $700,000 into a super back that heavily backed reelection. menend menendez's office said they are unrelate and they were trying to beef up port security in the dominican republic and they

denounced false and manufactured al grags that menendez was serviced by prostitutes during his trips. the mounting issues are creating distractions and becoming an increasing headache for senate democratic letters. >> the national investigative kor spontdecorresponden correspondent. you can start by clearing up the sex part of all of this? another allegation that they seem to be murky. what do we know? >> we don't know very much on the sex allegations. there is two stories here. there is the misuse of an airplane and not properly reimbursing and not very sexy, but ethically perilous and the sexier story about prostitutes and some potentially underage that menendez deny and a website

said they talked with two women involved. there is not proof. the situation is serious and we know the feds are investigating. we don't know what they have and where their investigation has taken them. >> he is standing by menendez saying menendez built a sterling reputation for a lot of years and the hope is what we are hearing is not as it is presented. i think bob will survive with his good work. >> talk about his reputation and how all that was might factor in. >> it gives one a benefit of a doubt and never a good time for this to happen, but this is a poor time for this to happen for the senator. just last monday he was one of eight senators trying to forge a senate deal that some of the video we saw a few moments ago had one of the four democrats

paired with four republicans. this comes just as he is taking the gavel of the senate foreign relations chittee from the now secretary of state john kerry. one can get a benefit of the doubt in public opinion, but he may be under pressure to step aside and temporarily hand over the gavel. when you have an fbi probe of a donor plus multiple lines of inquiry including a personal and professional global conduct, even though his colleague is giving him the benefit of the doubt and everyone deserves it, he's in a terrible situation until these things that mike just reported are on cleared up. >> chicago sun times, thank you both for your work on this saturday. we appreciate it. >> thank you, craig. >> critics have been demanning proof of the president's claim he likes to shoot skeet from time to time at camp david.

is this good enough to silence them? we are getting new information on how the nra is already responding to the president's picture. we will bring that to you next. scott brown is out of the race to replace income, but could be one of the romneys now. the gop scrambling for a new candidate. you are watching msnbc, the place for politics. i'm up next, but now i'm singing the heartburn blues. hold on, prilosec isn't for fast relief. cue up alka-seltzer. it stops heartburn fast. ♪ oh what a relief it is!

good saturday afternoon to you. the vice president is in europe today talking security, syria, and iran. >> the ball is in the government of iran's court. it's well pastime for tehran to adopt a serious good faith approach to negotiations. >> coming up, we will go live to the white house to hear more about that. also, this photo. here it is. just released by the president's press secretary today. what will it mean if anything

for the gun debate? plus -- >> people here who have come from syria have nothing. >> actress, activist and united nations ambassador mia pharaoh returned from lebanon where she met thousands who fled the fighting in syria. could there soon be a new romney in massachusetts politics? the boston herald reported republicans are trying to persuade mitt romney's wife anne or their son tag to run for the seat vacated by john kerry. he will not be running. we will dig into the story. shifting his focus back to the economy after encouraging news friday. >> we are poised to grow in 2013. there real signs of progress. home prices are starting to climb and car sales at a five-year high.

manufacturing is roaring back. our businesses created 2.2 million jobs and we learned that our economy created more jobs over the last few months that economists thought. >> the dow jones closed about 14,000, the highest close since 2007. reuters is reporting president obama may be considering gina mccarthy to be the new ep achieve to replace lisa jackson. she is a senior at the agency. could there be a romney in the center for massachusetts. the boston herald reports massachusetts republicans are trying to persuade mitt romney's wife in the seat vacated by john kerry and scott brown said he will not be running. we will talk about that story in a moment. as i mentioned, joe biden in germany at a security conference. it is the first foreign policy trip since he and president obama were reelected in november

and syria was the main item on his agenda. >> we can all agree not on how or what we do, but the desperate plight of the syrian people and the responsibility of the community to address the play. >> kristin welker has more on this. what else did vice president biden say? >> good afternoon. we can tell you that vice president biden met with the russian foreign minster and the special envoy who is charged with overseeing the response to syria. this is certainly one of the key topics of conversation at the security conference in munich. the big question is what actually happens. will there be any progress made in terms of the conflict there. vice president biden on the international stage calling for the president to step down.

this is the line with calling on assad to step down. the united states has not intervened directly. they believe that assad is increasingly isolated. the syrian opposition leader will mead with the foreign minster to discuss finding a solution, but we should underscore the fact that these are discussions. there have been a lot of discussions about how to handle syria and every day more people keep dying. this is really a crisis for this administration and of course others who are considered the friends of syria in the international community trying to bring the crisis to a close. >> let's pivot states for a second and talk about the picture that was released a few hours ago. this photo of president obama shooting skeet last august at camp david. the national rifle association already has something to say about it, no? >> they do.

they have just released a statement to nbc news. we have a graphic of the statement and will read it to you. they put out a statement saying one picture does not erase a time of supporting every gun ban and every gun control scheme imaginable. white house officials would take exception to that comment. just a little bit of a background about how this came about. last week president obama was doing an interview and asked if he engaged in the sport of shooting. he said yes, he does shoot skeet at camp david from time to time with friends and advisers. after he made those comments, a lot of people questioned the veracity of the comments and one challenged him to a skeet shooting dual. the white house didn't get into a lot of details about the president's habits which only led the skepticism to mound. today white house secretary jay carney released the photo. this comes against the backdrop of president obama heading to minneapolis to talk about gun

safety measures on monday. craig? >> kristen welker, we will come back to you later. thank you. >> thanks, craig. >> now the hostage situation in alabama. police necessary constant communication with a man who allegedly snatched a 5-year-old boy from a school bus after shooting and killing the bus driver tuesday. gabe gutierrez is in midland city, alabama. what are authorities saying about the way the suspect is treating the child? >> good afternoon. as we have been reporting, police have been tight-lipped about the situation out of concern for the safety of the child. this afternoon the local sheriff did hold a brief conference where he gave insight into the negotiations. he said that the suspect is treating the child relatively well and the suspect has a heater and blankets in the underground bunker and actually thanked the suspect for how he was treating that child.

that suggests the sensitivity of the negotiations. the suspect is jimmy lee dikes and a war veteran that won awards in the navy in the 1960s. the standoff has been going on since tuesday afternoon. more than 90 hours at this point. that's when police say that he boarded a stopped school bus just up the road behind me and demanded two children come with him. when the bus driver refused, police say he shot and killed the driver and made off with the boy named ethan who has a mild form of autism. police have been negotiating with the suspect ever since. they have been talking with him through a ventilation pipe attached to the bunker and this entire community is hoping and praying for a peaceful resolution here. the sheriff says that he is thank the suspect for taking care of the child and the child

so far is physically unharmed. >> we will come back to you for an update. >> were of the attention in washington has been on guns. wednesday's senate hearing on changing the gun laws was the chamber's first since the newtown, connecticut shootings and the lines were drawn for change and the roadblocks have been going up. i want to bring in the reporter for the atlanta. also the editor for the grio. good to see both of you. i will start with you, molly. you have a story on the chances of the president's plan at getting through congress. this is what you write in part. the assault weapons ban is not going to happen. democrats are downplaying as part of the president's proposal now. let's start here. why won't the assault weapons ban happen? >> the assumption to reason i

think is that the assault weapons ban doesn't poll as well. it is a slim majority of the assemble that favors the banning and also policy arguments seen as having not been particularly effective the last time we had one. that may have been how that reg sla slagz is written. the 5% of the gun murders that occurred in 2011, i believe, were from rifles. 95% from hand guns. something like background checks that impacts hand guns has a much better chance of having an effect on gun violence. >> background checks are wildly popular with the public as well. >> 90%. >> this is our show's low read of the week.

it's an indepth look at the power of the nra. the nra versus america. the writer concluding the nra wins because americans lose focus because by november 2014, most of us won't be thinking about the victims of newtown. most of us won't be thinking about guns at all. is that accurate? is the public's attention likely to fade while the nr a's focus remains laser like? >> this is true that gun control advocates always lose to the nra because they have more attention. what we are seeing now is different. the president put the issue on the front pages so much that i'm sure we will have a long debate about background checks and high capacity magazines in particular. the address is on february 12th and he will bring it up jen then. newtown has a different dynamic and this is not like shootings in the past. people are not forgetting this. it appears that people will have a vote in congress.

>> if the assault weapons ban doesn't happen and high capacity magazines are not touch and all we get are the universal back grund check, should they see it as a win? >> they should see it as a win. background checks have a much bigger impact on gun violence than the other things being discussed. most of the gun control advocates i have spoken to do not see it as a half a loaf or settle. it ought to be seen as a goemd medal. there is not good data because the nra blocked the government's ability to collect data. as much as 40% of the guns don't go through a background check. that's bigger than a loophole. that's a big exemption that presents a gray area in the market place. >> the nr a's hearing, he didn't

think the background checks would work. he has not always felt that way. this is what jon stewart on the daily show said. >> i know a gentlemen who makes a wonderful case for universal background checks. >> let's talk about what is reasonable and what's not. we think it's reasonable to provide criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. no loopholes anywhere for anyone. >> hmm. >> even by the standards of washington, that's galling to see someone go so aggressively in a 12-year span. that was incredible. it really does undermine what they say. the recall you mentioned in rolling stone talks about the nr a's shift from being a group of people who support a gun owner's group to really a gun industry group. that really goes to the point we are talking about. polls show a lot of gun owners

themselves support universal background checks, but the gun industry so far does not. the nra has been an advocate. >> i haven't heard one argument against background checks. what is the argument against it? >> they acknowledge their position has changed and the reason is because upon research or reflection or whatever, they determined that background checks are not effective. that is why they are saying they have obviously changed their position and that is the argument that they make against background checks. i would not be surprised if this is actually a negotiating tactic and they are starting out being against everything so that they can then position themselves as having made a concession when they agree to background checks or even if they never agree to it. so that lawmakers can point to having made a concession. >> we will visit with you later in the broadcast as well. thank you. >> thanks, craig. pa. >> the nra said the background

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. one of the latest victims of gun violence. 15-year-old honor student was shot and killed late last month in a park with her friends. she was the 42nd homicide victim in chicago this year.

it's february 2nd. she performed in president obama's inauguration a week before a random bullet took her life. while congress is debating legislation, many states are taking action on their own. i want to bring in the state representative. good to see you, sir. >> thank you. it's a pleasure to be here. >> you introduced a bill that will tighten gun measures and your state has the toughest gun laws in the country. how effective can individual state laws really be if there is no action from the federal government? >> they need to be effective. in massachusetts we have the toughest gun laws in the nation and as a result that was we have one of the lowest gun death rates in the nation. there is a lot more we do both here in massachusetts and across the country. >> how effective can the state laws be? how effective can they be if there is no action by the federal government?

>> they can be effective. we can diten up the rules for who does and doesn't get a gun permit and have tighter rules to make sure we don't have accidental shootings where 6-year-olds shoot their playmates. a lot we can do on the state level and make sure that the states contribute their data into the national database which is say problem here in massachusetts and other states. >> for a period, you submitted one background check, is that correct? >> that was only a test. currently under massachusetts law, believe it or not, it is against the law to send the mental health data into the data base. >> why? >> it is stupid as far as i'm concerned. that's why. the governor and i are

supporting a bill to make sure that massachusetts along with the other 43 states that are doing it sends the mental health. >> that bill in massachusetts has been proposed and failed before. my question is why. why is there not the political will in massachusetts of all places. why not the will to at least submit the background checks to the federal database? >> the only people to testify against that bill in the previous years was the local nra affiliate that happened. the govern nor and i are pushing hard and will take at least that step in a couple of months so we can get that done. in addition, we need better background checks. you see there isn't a whole lot of mental health screening that goes on right now. the only people that get sent to that database is you have been

involuntarily committed to an institution and very few people have been committed. we need to make the background checks not only for mental health reasons, but criminal background checks and safety a lot better than we are doing now. there is a lot of steps we take. >> it calls for mental healisto to be considered when applying. the "new york times" said people with serious mental illness are involved in 4% of violent crimes and are 11 or more times more likely to be victims. if that's true, what does that part of your bill accomplish? >> it's one of several small steps that we can take to make gun violence less frequent than today. the problem here is that there is not a single solution.

everybody is looking for a single solution. it's a bunch of small changes that can incrementally reduce gun violence and trajy dees. when you add them up, we can make a dent like the one you just mentioned in chicago. >> thank you so much for spending time with us on this saturday afternoon. >> it's a pleasure. >> coming up, what does mitt romney have to do with a vacant senate seat in massachusetts? also up, an important marker in my own family history they would like to share with you that speaks to the middle class and our own federal government's role in keeping it alive. you are watching msnbc, the place for politics. olaf gets great rewards for his small business! pizza! [ garth ] olaf's small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! helium delivery. put it on my spark card! [ pop! ] [ garth ] why settle for less? great businesses deserve great rewards!

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horseback to the far flung parts of america. despite rain, snow, and bloom of night. here's a thought. let's transform the post office. how about congress give it more flexibility to run itself like a 21st century business entity. congrats, dad. come on, congress. coming up, scott brown shakes up the race for john kerry's senate seat. can republicans win it without him? rev me ins? syria are getting a new famous face to plead their case. actress and humanitarian mia pharaoh will join us after the break. i'm up next, but now i'm singing the heartburn blues. hold on, prilosec isn't for fast relief. cue up alka-seltzer. it stops heartburn fast. ♪ oh what a relief it is!

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promote education. if you have a twitter account, now is a good time to change the password. hackers broke into 250,000 accounts snagging user names and e-mail addresses and passwords. twitter insist that is the site is secure. this weekend marks the 1 understand hundredth anniversary of the grand central terminal. the world's largest train station and also one of new york's popular tourist attracts. happy birthday, grand central. the super bowl takes center stage this weekend down in new orleans and living rooms across this country. last yore's big game was the most watched television event in u.s. history. for the city of new orleans, two big parties to be just what the doctor ordered. nbc's jay gray drew the short straw. le is hanging out in new orleans at the super bowl and then mardi

gras back to back in the big easy. how will all the festivities be for the ongoing recovery? >> that's interesting to hear. >> in the middle, it's going to be gigantic for the city as far as the bottom line goes and respect. it puts them back on the map. money-wise from the super bowl alone at least $430 million will be taken in here in new orleans. that's huge. mardi gras is also a big event. talking to the local business owners, the super bowl is a good warm up for fat tuesday a week later. we will be rocking then. they will have a huge mardi gras here. all of the hotel rooms are full right now. you can't find one. there more restaurants than before katrina and more hotel rooms by the way.

this has been great. new orleans has shown itself well. the city looked good and everyone seems to be having a good time. the perfect start to the weekend. >> take off your hat and give me a pick. 49ers or ravens? >> you would know better than me, but it has to be the 49ers. the offense is so dimensional. so many dimensions in the offense. the ravens while we like them for the same reason, they are getting older. it's going to be tough to keep up. in the long run, i have to go with the 49ers. >> jay gray giving us the latest and analysis on the game as well. appreciate it. back to politics and the big news in massachusetts. scott brown has decided not to run in the special election for john kerry's just vacated senate seat. that changes the entire playing field for the republican party. many of whom considered brown to be the best bet to take the seat in the deep blue state.

editor cynthia needham, good to see you. scott brown put out the statement on friday afternoon explaining that "the prospect of returning to congress even more partisan than the one i left was not the best way for him to continue his public service." is he done with politics or gearing up for a run for governor? >> that's a big question that everybody has. he said he is tired after a bruising campaign against elizabeth warren. the thing is to run for governor, he had to gear up quickly and start raising money by this summer and if he is looking for a break, he won't get that. i think it's up in the air. my guess is right now, no. we will have to wait and see. >> i want to take a look at the cover page for today's boston herald.

ann or tag romney. being floated about here. what do we make of this. what are the chance that is the romneys could run for the seat? >> i would say pretty unlikely. certainly not something we actually consider too seriously. what's more likely is former governor bill wells and lieutenant governor kerry healey. the suggestion is that they are not interested either. that is really going to leave the republican party scrambling. they don't have a deep bench or really even any bench to fall back on. the big names would be a nice idea and make the race more fun, but it's unrealistic. >> we know steven listen is running for a seat and endorsed by john kerry. will a bitter primary do any

favors for the gop or a democrat affair? >> if scott brown was running, a primary would have been a huge problem for the democrats and one of the reasons they were trying to coalesce early and steve lynch came in as a spoiler, but now that scott brown is not in it, it's hard to tell. in a way unless the republicans can scramble and get a viable candidate, the whole race will come down to the democratic primary. in which case it's not going to matter. >> thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> we turn our attention to international affairs. the violence in syria was on the vice president's agenda. vice president biden met with syria's main coalition and promised continuing u.s. support. the unrest led to a major humanitarian crisis and the

fighting between rebel forces and the president's military forced hundreds of thens of syrians from their homes. 700,000 rev news poured into neighboring countries. the united nations is making annest to raise money and give aid to the victims that. and unicef recruited mia farrow to raise awareness. she received acclaim for her role in rosemary's baby. children especially. she joins my by television. we hoped to have you via skype and there was a problem with the connection. we will take you on the phone as well. good to have you. >> thank you very much. >> you were in lebanon for unicef to get a firsthand look at the crisis. let's listen first of all toft observations that you made. >> here in lebanon, 75% of the

refugees are women and children. they come with nothing. absolutely nothing. they have no papers and their homes are destroyed. >> mia, what else did you see while in lebanon? >> i had read like we all have of the atrocities in syria and that people were fleeing, but it's another level of knowing. to see people arrive in the night and they walk through nights and they walk through cluster bombs and they have nothing. it's a winter of unprecedented cold, snow, blowing icy winds and the people don't have tents and they put together pieces of cardboard and whatever pieces of material they can assemble to ward off the icy winds. i saw children without shoes standing in the snow and icy puddles. they don't have food.

they don't have clean drinking water. i know that unicef and partners, i travelled with them and they are working around the clock to get the children winter coats and shoes and socks and hats. most of them don't have them yet. then too a level of trauma. the children, all the families in the clip, most are women and children and have seen homes destroyed and seen family members killed. they come from that into neighboring countries such as lebanon where there is nothing for them. it's a dire situation. it's a desperate situation. >> what more if something should the united states be doing? >> i know the united states has pledged some funds desperately needed and the international community has pledged a bunch of

money. i think it's 1.5 billion. we are talking about millions of people. in syria, living in rubble and hiding from the bombings and snipers. then outside of syria in neighboring countries. even looking at it pragmatically, what's going to happen to these neighboring countries who are trying to host what will soon be millions of people? it destabilizes countries. lebanon, for example, is a population of just 4 million. if they are looking at something another million people of different ethnicities, they will be destabilized. it's not the most rock solid country anyway. the refugees are coming into the poor evidentiasest areas. that is the food programs and the refugee programs and unicef. these programs work.

they are effective. they are drastically underfunded. none of us can do much to stop the violence, but we can help the most vulnerable victims of the violence. >> while i have you here, i want to ask you about acting. you tweeted you were done and retiring from acting all together. are you? is that true? >> i retired several times and never mentioned it to save my soul. that's another matter. for all intents and purposes, my focus is elsewhere. the last job i did, i vowed to myself i am not going to do this anymore. i have been doing it since i was 18 years old. for now, i just want to focus on other things. >> humanitarian and former actress, mia farrow. thank you.

i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> one political reporter says that congress is actually getting less dysfunctional. we are going to press her for evidence of that straight ahead. also, with all the talk of immigration this week, what's the big idea is an ap that could help undocumented immigrants right now. i will talk to the guy behind it, next. we're running out of a vital resource we need to compete on the global stage. what we need are people prepared for the careers of our new economy. by 2025 we could have 20 million jobs without enough college graduates to fill them. that's why at devry university, we're teaming up with companies like cisco to help make sure everyone is ready with the know-how we need for a new tomorrow. [ male announcer ] make sure america's ready. make sure you're ready. at devry.edu/knowhow. ♪

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in the event that they were detained or arrested. it's good to see you. >> good to see you. thank you. >> for our non-spanish speaking audience, what does it mean? >> it means inherited rights, ryes by inheritance from our fouping fathers and others sacrificed ourselves to give our rights. >> let's talk about the ap. what is it and how does it work? >> i created this ap because i had encounters with border patrol before and i was in jail for two weeks. another one last year. basically because i'm tired of deporting as and spragues of family done by the obama administration. he has been talking about the reform for four years and still nothing. the new reform he wants to put out drones and drones killed many people across the area. he verified many without jobs

and waiting the line thing is ridiculous. the last person that wants to wait in line, we have to wait at least 24 years. i came here when i was 9 and i'm 21 now and i'm not going to wait until obama can think and pass. nobody has time for 24 years. >> we invited you to talk about the ap, but you want to talk about the immigration proposal. sounds as if you are dissatisfied with president obama's approach to immigration reform right now. is that accurate? >> i'm for immigration reform, but not his ideal. >> what would you like to see happen? >> i know there is security on the border, but we have enough. the people crossing the boarder is down to zero. he deported more families than any other president than the

country has. i am not going to praise obama for his proposal while he is trying to separate my family. >> my question is what would you like to see happen? >> i would like to see something fast. something really fast. we can't just be in limbo. i have been an undocumented imgrant for 11 years and i can't wait for another 24 years. it needs to be fast and easy for all of us who are trying to better ourselves and be better citizens of this country. >> what are do you think of those who say that any path to citizenship in this country should also include a punishment a well whether it's a fine or paying back taxes. do you support that? >> yes, i do. i believe that we came here to the country unauthorized and there is something we should do, but we can't wait 24 years for it.

this ap -- >> you want to work the ap back in now? is it a free ap? >> it is free. it's available at the ap store. i created this ap because rights are being violated to immigrants and u.s. citizens. we believe that everyone, there should be no violations of rights. the cool thing it shows the rights by local police if you get pulled or come to your house and human trafficking and border patrol check points. >> you used all your time to talk politics, but thank you. we appreciate your time on this saturday. >> thank you. >> you probably couldn't from this week's heated confirmation hearing for chuck hagel, but the dysfunction in d.c. apparently is getting better. i'm going to challenge her to tell us how. we are going to take a short break. we will be back.

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we are correct or incorrect? yes or no? >> my reference to -- >> are you going to answer the question, senator hagel? the question is were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straight forward question. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer -- >> well, let the record show you refuse to answer that question. >> name one person in your opinion who is tim dated by the israeli lobby in the united states senate. >> i don't know. >> then why did you say it? >> harsh words and comments leveled toward chuck hagel in a forum that was anything but civil. that clash of wills is raising

the question if dysfunction is the norm in washington. thanks for coming and joining us. you pose the question, is washington getting less dysfunctional? based on what we just heard, the hagel hearing seems to be contradiction, what is your thought? >> i think things are getting done, not that everyone is getting nice to each other. he was asked a lot of tough questions, he did not have a lot of good answers. did he not perform particularly well and that's as it should be, chuck hagel is still almost certainly going to be confirmed unless some new revelation comes out and that would be something getting done in washington. exhibit a here is immigration reform. which we were just talking about. you have a bipartisan group of senators from both parties who

have actually put the partisan rancor aside to find common ground and legislate. who knows if it will happen, but things look good. we did not go over the fiscal cliff and we did not hit the debt ceiling. evidence is piling up. >> that's true. here is the thing that struck me about hagel hearings, it seemed at times that chuck hagel was surprised that these people were not happy with him. it's as if he did not read a newspaper in month. >> his response to the surge question. mccain is the biggest supporter of the surge, he led it. chuck hagel disagreed and mccain seems to be right. and hagel looked surprised by the question. in defense of molly's story and washington is getting better. that was not about dysfunction of washington, the two of them just do not like each other. that has nothing to do do with

the broader things washington. the issue matrix is changing a bit. what we with saw in 2009 and 2010, when health care and economy were on the table, those are where the parties are fundamentally divided. that is going to be true. but the immigration, there's not the same divide with them. so it's not a polarizing issue with john kerry. part of the reason we are seeing less dysfunction -- on other issues they are not as divided. you may have 80 senators vote for immigration at the toechbd day, i think. >> we are talking about the senate not being as dysfunctional, the house still seems to be just as dysfunctional as it has been over the past few years, will that be accurate? >> i think you have house republicans starting to see what their political incentives have and that is why they suspended the debt ceiling. they went on a retreat and got a talking to by boehner and others

that said, let's not commit political suicide again. people are blaming us, hosts on msnbc are blaming us for all the stuff and we have to stop giving them a reason to do it. >> thank you both. for our folks at yale, we would like acknowledgment that we have had two alums on at the same time, so send us a check. >> sorry, molly. >> coming up, we will talk more about chuck hagel's conformation hearing with former senator and fellow vietnam war vet, bob kerry, should be a fascinating conversation next hour. and it's a guessing game that could last years. will hillary clinton run for the white house in 2016, we will read the tea leaves of one of her closest advisers next. ♪

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politics. for the first time in a long time, hillary clinton wakes up with no public role to play today. >> it's been a challenging week saying goodbye to so many people. >> so, what's next for the now former secretary of state? we will talk to one of her closest advisers. plus -- >> i have stated that i regret the terminology, i should have said recognized. i said it, and i don't remember the context or when i said it. >> ist's a rough ride for the chuck hagel. is the right man to take over at the pentagon. we will ask two highly decorated veterans. and later on, the super bowl weekend, we will get the brain trust's take on who will take home the vince lombardi trophy down in the big easy. first, this unique image of president bomb, this photo

released of the president skeet shooting at camp david last summer. the president's mention of the skeet shooting experience in a magazine created skepticism, and the nra has responded to the photo saying that one picture does not erase a lifetime of supporting every gun ban and every gun control scheme imaginable los angeles may, antonio vieira goes a. the mayor saying friday that he will finish out his term as mayor. and barney, that beloved scottish terrier of president bush died after a battle with cancer. barney was a faithful friend and will be much missed. barney was 12-1/2 years old. well she was a former first lady. a former senator from new york and now hillary clinton is a former secretary of state after

visiting 112 countries and traveling nearly million miles over the last four years, clinton stepped down yesterday. with more now on the journey that she just took, we go to kristen welker at the white house. >> clinton has joked about looking forward to sleeping in this weekend. no word if she did that today. but this comes after visiting a hundred countries, earning praise and criticism along the way. secretary of state hillary clinton starting a new chapter in her storied life. >> i cannot fully express how grateful i am to those with whom eye spent many hours here in washington, around the world and in airplanes. >> clinton spent a lot of time on airplanes, traveling more

than a million miles from overseeing a shift to democracy to helping to broke r a cease fire. but the final years of her tenure were were rocky when she testified on capitol hill about the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. she did leave a mark. >> on balance, i think that she is notable for a steadiness, for a relatively error free period. for very loyal service to the president. >> her journey to secretary of state was improbalbe, from the white house's first lady to the senate and now to a tough campaign against her now former boss. >> i was a big admirer of hillary before our primary battles. >> if the roles were reversed, and i ended up winning, i would have desperately wanted him in my cabinet.

if i'm saying i would have wanted him to say yes to me, how do i justify saying no to my president. >> today, she can sleep in, but her next move is a mystery. she joke to the "new york times" in november, maybe i will get a decorating show. but a white house run speculation has begun in earnest. >> for the foreseeable future i don't think that i will be at all political. there's so much else that i need to be. >> sources close to clinton tell me that she that is not made up her mind whether she is running in 2016. it's an option on the table, but right now she is resting and spending time with friends. >> thank you. kri is sten and now more on the question of what could be next for former secretary of state, hillary clinton. joining me now ann lewis. a former senior adviser to hillary clinton's presidential campaign and former

communications director for president bill clinton, ann, it's dw to see you. >> glad to be here. thank you. >> president obama called secretary clinton one of the finest secretary of states ever. "newsweek" i'm sure you saw the cover. proclaimed her the most powerful woman in american history. there it is right there. that is a pretty strong declaration there, ann lewis. is that accurate? >> well, i think it is. i thought a lot about women and power in american history and when you look at what hillary clinton has done, shu she has gone around the world representing the united states, speaking for our government. more important, speaking for our values. how she has really been the 21st century secretary of state, using technology to reach out to people in other countries. bringing the private sector, building public/private partnerships, because you know these days government cannot do it alone and of course, each time, looking at what do we do to ensure that women and girls have a better future. if you want to build a safer

world, if you want to reduce the level of terrorism send girls the to school. hillary clinton understood it for years, as secretary of state, it has been a pillar of foreign policy. >> she said she wants to take a little time off, she has been nonstop. do you feel she has projects in mind? >> she has said what her project will be. i think if you want to know what she will do, listen carefully to what she said, in my experience, that is usually what she follows up on. first she said that she is going to rest. she is going to relax, and put her foot up and read magazines and go on walks with her husband. get back to a healthier lifesty lifestyle, get off the planes and walking around and second, i think she will write a book. she feels strongly what she has learned and seen around the world, how much people want to connect with the united states, how this world is changing. what all of us need to know to

be good citizens, to build a future we want for our children. i'm looking forward to reading that book and then, she has some other decisions to make, but she doesn't need to make them right away. >> he let's talk about what i think you are eluding to. you know, you help hadded her campaign for president in 2008, she has not said whether she is going to run in 2016. but in your gut, in your gut, do you think it's just a matter of time? >> in my gut? i think she is going to think abo about it and make the right decision, but i don't think she has made the right decision. i know it's old fashioned to say, listen to what she said, she means it. but look, this is something that is the most admired woman in the world. you just went true her history, for 11 straight years. look at the faces of the people in the state department that worked for her. think back, i have seen cabinet officers come and go, let me do

it that way. you do not often see a demonstration of affection and pride and support. she has a lot of options. >> it was a scene, you have a perspective here, you know both clintons. what do you think the former president is saying to his wife with regards to a run in 2016? >> it's wonderful sometimes to watch bill clinton's face, and see how proud he is of hillary. i used to have the opportunity, you are right, i worked for both of them. i would see, you would be sitting with hillary clinton and she'd get a message that bill was on the phone and watch her face light up. and they would go on a conversation or the other way with the president talking to her. as she said, they have started a conversation that has been going on for years. he is proud of her. but he wants to be sure that what she does is right for her. he has been campaigning. he was a campaigner for a long time, he knows that campaigning is tough. you have to put your heart and soul into it.

he will encourage her to think long and hard and then to come to the right decision. because whatever it is, he is going to be proud of her and he will support her. >> while i have you here, quickly, secretary of state, john kerry took the senate seat to succeed. and your brother, barney frank expressed and in being the place holder for that seat. how disappointed is your brother? >> as we speak, barney is on the stage in new york playing a very bit walk on role, of a favorite show, if i had more time, i would recite some of the songs. while he thought that being in the senate while they went through the budget. and the tough votes coming up would enable him to be a good participa participating senator, he has other things going on.

>> a woman with quite the singing voice, if we had more time, we would let you sing to us. >> i was going say, i will speak them, i would not sing them and do that to you. >> oh, oh, thank you, ann, do appreciate you. >> thank you. >> got new information on the bomber behind the deadly attack on the american embassy in turkey. we will get the latest from richard engel coming up. and chuck hagel faces fire works in that conformation hearing, we will talk about his chances with the former fellow nebraska senator and bob kerry. next. there are patients who will question, why does my mouth feel dryer than i remember it to be? there are more people taking more medication, so we see people suffering from dry mouth more so. we may see more cavities, bad breath, oral irritation. a dry mouth sufferer doesn't have to suffer.

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. i already noted that i, that i should have used another term. the bigger point is what i was saying, i think -- what i meant to say, should have said. i said many, many things over years, that is what i should have said and thank you. >> bob kerry is laughing at that, chuck hagel faced a brutal confirmation hearing, stumbled at times while being grilled. but dan phipher said he will be confirmed they have the votes. joining me is senator bob kerry. and retired army colonel jack jacob sentence. we think this could be the precurser to a permanent show.

let's start with chuck hagel, you have known him for a long time, and probably know him better than most. how surprised were you by his performance before the senators? >> well, they went after him. you know -- >> but he had to know it was coming. >> i guess he had to know it was coming. still, you are there in the spotlight, you trying to not get angry. you trying to keep your cool. it's not an easy thing to do. and they went after him pretty hard. i -- i do think that he is going to get confirmed and the big challenge is whether or not, you know, we can see congress in the executive branch work together and figure out where our military structure will go. it's not easy with the budget being what it is. and there's arguments that it should be substantially smaller and i disagree with that. >> john mccain is one of the senators that went after him at the hearings, accused hagel of

being wrong tore the opposition of the surge. he pressed hagel. take a listen. >> i would like a answer whether you are right or wrong and then you are free to elaborate. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or a no answer on a lot of things. >> then let the record show that you refuse to answer the question, now please go ahead. >> if you would like me to explain why -- >> i actually would like an answer. yes or no? i think history has already made a judgment about the surge, sir. and you are on the wrong side of it. >> colonel -- >> when hagel said i think i would like to explain, you know mccain does not want him to explain. he wants a yes or no answer. >> why did he shy away from doing that? >> i don't know. bob and i were talking about it before, he knew the questions were coming. he nie who was going to deliver them. he had time to rehearse. >> i think of the right answer two days after the right answer

should have been given. history actually does show that the surge worked. that my vote was wrong and your vote was right. but senator mccain in history shows that both of our votes were wrong to authorize the war to begin with. that's the problem. >> you cannot say that at a senate confirmatin hearing. >> i guess that is why i was not nomina nominated. >> i guess, you could. >> i think you can. >> it did not seem -- >> you would get farther saying that than what he was saying. you know, even the president of the united states would advise him to say, look, just answer the question directly. you can explain later on. when the president wrote his book and said i don't know how much dope i smoked or whatever he was talking about, the problem went away instantly. confront it, and say yeah, i was wrong, and then say you want to say. that is all mccain wanted him to do, admit he was wrong. and he could not do it.

>> i want to turn briefly to another issue. we talked about this last week, defense secretary leon panetta has opened thousands of combat jobs to female service members. a poll that was conducted found that 17% of male marines would likely leave the corp if women served in combat roles. 17%, what is your take on the question of women serving in combat? >> well, you really have to compare -- they should be asking the questions how many marines will leave period. back to the earlier conversation about the budget. the structure is getting smaller and it's gotten more difficult for us to get -- to retain the best and the brightest. yeah, it's a fairly substantial change. they will adjust. they will absolutely adjust. i mean there's all kinds of changes that have to occur to make it work. by the way, the biggest one is my daughter going to have to register? i had to register when i was 18 years old, that's the law, men have to do that. are women going to do that i am

not sure that secretary panetta thought that through. >> do you think that women should have to register? >> you cannot say you have equal opportunity once you are in the military but not an equal responsibility to register. i would say yes. if -- if you are going to treat women equally, and i think that is right, and you can see, 75% of the gold medals won in the olympics were won by women. they are not lacking athletic ability. if the playing field is completely level, you who have to register like the guys have to. >> you expressed concern during the last conversation about the broadcast, about the future of the u.s. military and the role that the u.s. military could very well have in terms of global affairs, shapie ining gl affa affairs. >> we have a lot of on people being defended by a small number

of brave men and women and we have a multitude of threats in different places around the world and we are trying do it on a shoe string. and we cannot do it. one of the reasons that the budget will look like it is with far fewer people under arms is simple isly because -- is simply because it's -- one of the reasons is is, it's the easiest way to save money. if you want to cancel programs, you will not save money this year. you will save it in the out years. the best way to save money today is to fire people. back in the '70s when the people that were running the military establishment today had just been commissioned, when i had troops in the field yelling bang, bang and people not being able to fly helicopters and aircraft, no flying hours and no money for fuel or anything else. we are headed in that direction. this is a very dangerous time. >> and it's an area where hagel and mccain agree, that did not

come out in the hearings. it is likely to come out after senator hagel is confirmed. >> do you think that those hearings in any way shape or form will make it difficult, more difficult for him to serve when he gets over to the on pentagon or is it going to be a situation where once with he is, there we will all forget about it? >> i don't think it will be more or less difficult. given the budget situation and the changing nature. it's a very difficult job. >> we are out of time. i know you were at the news school. the report came out, what will you do next? >> i don't know. >> he is doing this right now. >> well, come back next weekend. >> i will be on the street this afternoon. >> job and jack, thank you both. always a pleasure. it's that day of the year when a rodent becomes the most watched meteorologist. how do you feel, senator, coming

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may run for the senate is. will he do the first stump speech standing on the top of al capone's vault. could not resist. a group claiming responsibility for the bombing of the u.s. embassy in turkey. and it's not al qaeda. and how to rate hillary clinton's term as secretary of state, will it impact other future? our brain frustrate is standing by, they will weigh in on that and a whole lost more. you are watching msnbc, the place for politics. surprises h. morning starts in high spirits, but there's a growing pain in his lower back. as lines grow longer, his pain continues to linger. but after a long day of helping others, he gets some helpful advice. just two aleve have the strength to keep back pain away all day. today, jason chose aleve. just two pills for all day pain relief. try aleve d for strong, all day long sinus and headache relief.

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police and something will pan out. take a look at this. this is a power plant that had towered over san diego bay since the 1950s. reduced to a smoking pile of rubble. that plant implosion happened today, the plan is to turn the site into a park. we are learning more about the suicide bomber that carried out an attack on an u.s. embassy in turkey. the bomber and guard were killed in the embassy in a side entrance of the compound. we are move on who the bomber was. >> he has been identified by turkish authorities by his remains. his remains are still being collected here at the embassy site, and according to turkish officials he was a well known militant belonging to a radical leftist organization. a group that hates american influence over the turk irk government beliefs that the united states is set on

dominating the world. it's a throw-organization, a marxist group, more like theist groups in the '70s. but the group is well organized and active here. according to officials, this militant who is about 40 years old, he spent four years in a turk irk prison. had even gone on a hunger strike. he this is been arrested in taking place in militant activity and was then released for medical reasons. according to turk irk officials he arrived yesterday around lunchtime, he went inside the visitor's center, detonated a vest, threw his hand grenade, killed himself and killed a guard and wounded a turkish journalist. >> naturally. back here, there's questions of the impact on our diplomatic efforts in the region. we want to bring in the "brain

trust." a brain trust first, right? this is your first time here? >> all right. >> you guys be nice to him here. >> blaze tv anchor, blaze tv anchor amy holms who is wildly popular on twitter, i found out. and political commentator, esther, thank you for coming back all of you. we will go into the twitter stuff the later. you have a lot of fans. >> do i? i am not on twitter. that doesn't matter? >> let's start with hillary clinton, she commented on the attack during her farewell address. we will talk about it on the other side. take a listen first. >> we live in very complex and even dangerous times as we saw, again, just today at our embassy. where we were attacked and lost

one of our foreign service nationals and others injured. >> it comes on the heals of the benghazi testimony. not exactly the note you want to leave on. will this effect her legacy? >> i don't think this particular episode will effect the sense of what she has done over the past few years. she is a complicated figure. coming on eight years of the bush administration that was a belicoes and aggressive foreign policy in every sense of the word. her approach to america and the world was a subtle one. it was multiple centers of power, you cannot get what you want to do done unilateraly, and soft power influences, that is tough for people to grapple with, but it was exactly the tone that speaks to the reality

of the world and where the united states should be in it. >> so sulth that we don't know what a hillary clinton doctrine is, we do not know what a president obama doctrine is for that matter. but i would say -- >> is that important to be identified with some sort of foreign policy doctrine? >> i'm not a expert in that area, but you will hear discussions that to have a clear doctrine creates stability. because then your enemies and allies know how you will act. hillary clinton has had great success. coming out of secretary of state with higher approval than when she went in. this will not stick to her legacy. >> i think three things of course i disagree the absence of a specific doctrine. i think the thing that helped

kind of shape the legacy of hillary is her testimony over benghazi and facing down all the crazy republican who were coming after her again and again and again, and she demonstrated with a the public wants to see in leadership and that is a willingness to be tough, to stand on principal. and to be clear about how you do that. i think also, she is a complicated figure because she lived in the shadow of her husband for so long, the 2008 campaign in some ways, although she emerged with the 18 million followers in terms of her breaking the glass ceiling, she spoke about that, there was also the polarizing figure that the clintons created, and i think part of her legacy is she is has emerged out of the shadow of her husband. >> don't you think that part of her approval was that she was away from washington for so much of her leadership. so she did not get dragged into, you know, the washington kwag meyer. >> and you have to wander, just along the same lines. you have to wonder, if she is

away from politics now for another year or two years will that help? >> she will get more and more popular the more and more absent she is. the thing about hillary. >> our brains are getting bigger. >> a lot of that absence of a big doctrine. that is really the obama white house. the whout controlled the woof of hillary. >> and people agree she was a good soldier for president obama, but where is hillary in all of this? >> and theyn't with aed a departure from the bush doctrine and they got that. >> we will take a quick break here, when we come back, we will go from hillary and talk about al gore as well, al gore has resurfaced. he has made a lot of money. a lot of money over the past few years. he has resurfaced over global

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al jazeer. take a listen. >> the confusion more me or the difficulty is that we have to get busy solving it. all the things that came up after that, take a shorter shower and lick your children dry, can mogul al gore coexist with activist al gore. >> do you think there's something hypocritical for taking money from an oil producer. >> the point you are making is one that i understand very clearly. i do disagree with it. >> al jazeer which is owned by the royal family and their ties to big oil, no secret. what do you make of this? what do you make of al gore and his net worth is reportedly somewhere around 300 million, north of $300 million. he may be worth more than mitt romney.

>> it's extraordinary and it has been noticed by all, from left to right including the employees of current tv who were tweeting and saying that they cannot believe that the boss was selling this network to an organization that is completely opposed to al gore's crusade over the last, what? 12 years? not all of us get to buy carbon offsets by buying a whole entire national forest to sell networks to al jazeer. >> would it had been more acceptable than if he sold it to a comcast. >> or my boss, glenn beck. >> hey. would that be more acceptable? probably not. >> okay. >> but -- >> it's a funny commentary. >> is it the amount on or who he sold it to? >> both. first of all, it's al gore, he is king when it comes to issues around climate justice and a certain principal around the issues.

and so, the hypocrisy of it is what is the problem. we are in the era of corporate owned media. there's little media that can really argue -- that we can argue is independent. that he is really part of a bigger national frame work. i think what becomes interesting is because of his new book "the future" and his push around climate justice together with john kerry testifying in terms of his nomination of senate and him talking about energy policy and chris christie bashing climate change post sandy, we have possibly the coalition to create energy policy that has failed in president obama's first term and it will be swallowed down because in term of the politics of winning, you have gore and kerry saying policy equals job creation and that is about the economy. >> i thought the left was against personal enrichment at the cost of the environment. >> al had this position before

when he was flying private jets and the question was how does it square with climate change. in a sense, al is hoisted by his own batard, if that if erp to come out and say, we all live in a carbon intensive environment, we cannot all sit in a studio and say, i do not want to have any business with carbon, because here we are with lights and carpeting. >> but the studio does not pay me $50 million. >> nor me. but you cannot opt out of the system. he has not been good at recognizing that we live in the world that we live in and we are trying to get to a different world but -- >> is there an expectation, i suppose that guys like al gore who preach this sermon who preached this sermon pretty much for the last, you know, 10 or 15 years. that they will live a certain way, that they will carry

themselves -- >> again, that's the, that's the absoluteism of his message that creates the criticism of hypocrisy, he like all of us live in a world like carbon. and fueled by fossil fuels. he may believe that the world should change. >> we do not have middle eastern oil produce companies paying us while we go out and tell the world to limit their carbon output. >> there's no question that because of al gore's purist stance, he is -- no question, you cannot not target the issue of rank hypocrisy at him. but we are in a corporate owned media and it's shady in a number of ways. >> the corporation that owns this particular station exempt

from that. >> of course. >> elaborate on that. the reality of corporate owned media, perspectives are refle reflected as a result of which corporation owns that media. there's a significance and importance to al jazeer english being part of a media because we live in a global reality. >> but to compare al jazeer, that media company to you know, 95% of the companies that exist in this country, that is not a, i would say an accurate comparison. >> al jazeer is many in respects more neutral about the news certainly than some of unnamed competitors might be. >> sure. >> and they have been the only source of what we would consider to be objective news in that region are. whether it's reporting about libya or the opposition in libya and syria. they bring a voice of what we would consider to be more objective news to the middle east that did not exist before.

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>> all right, a little than 24 hours from now, americas will watch the ravens and 49ers square off in the super bowl, since we never shy away from friendly competition, we will take it to "the brain trust." first of all, i want to thourowp what two senators are wagering. we have crab cakes from maryland and cookies and heavy seas beer. that is what maryland is offering california, offering crab as well, and napa valley

wine. bread and cheese. first of all, i don't know what happened to good old fashioned money betting. but let's start with who do you have? >> first of all, you notice, it's two democratic senators from california and two democratic senators from maryland. and if new england it would be have been two democratic senators from there. >> and your point is? >> there seems to be some alignment between the nfl and blue states. i had not how the about that one until that came up here. the great thing about predicting sports events, whether you are annex pertain or not, nobody knows what will happen at all. >> now that you say that, we will have to save your prediction and play it back no matter what. >> i'm going with the 49ers. >> really? >> yeah, old time, joe montana, the revooifl, steve young. another more monday quarterback. i think. >> didn't he shave his legs? >> that was joe name ethic. >> i know nothing about sports. >> you are from seattle.

>> your twitter feed just exploded. >> i know nothing about sports. what the heck. i love san francisco, so i will say that. >> san francisco, san francisco. you are from london. i know you did not grow up perhaps as a football fan. >> a different kind of football. >> that's right. they call it rugby. >> the real football. here is the thing. i'm a big ports chick. so in other words, do i understand the game, no? but when it came to the super bowl, i'm all in, i'm nice in the kitchen, i will be doing stuff in the kitchen and then i think i'm going for the 49ers. >> you think? >> don't ask me why, because i cannot give you a good explanation. but i think the big kfrgds will be beyonce's half time performance. >> we know one thing, she will be singing it. >> and godaddy.com's ad will be

the most talked about. >> and the two brothers that were coaches, i want to see how dinner goes in their house. >> we have on go. my corporate bosses are speaking, esther, sure to be a great game either way. we enjoyed having you. have to come back, we have to get you back here. we will see you back here tomorrow. 3:00 eastern, i will talk to form former texas senator, and al sharpton will join me. chuck todd will be with us as well. little did i know that one week later i wasn't smoking. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, he